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The product is pricing. the product is the um the opportunity, the framing, and not letting them compare you to something else.","startTime":2344.16,"endTime":2357.119,"durationSeconds":13,"level":"C1","overallScore":9,"rationale":"제품 정의를 확장하는 통찰이 강함."},{"segmentIndex":10,"text":"That's exactly what they're doing, right? 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