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It's dare I say taste.","startTime":57.68,"endTime":62.879,"durationSeconds":5,"level":"C1","overallScore":7.6,"rationale":"비용 구조 변화에 대한 핵심 통찰."},{"segmentIndex":27,"text":"One of the hardest things to do right now as a leader building these products is just sort of the inversion of the process in my mind which I think a lot of people have talked about which is that anybody can build anything right like I generally believe now that starting from scratch if you talk to these models ours anybody else's really um you can stand up whatever feature you want right And that's not necessarily a hard part of software, but that's like that's really cool.","startTime":189.44,"endTime":224.159,"durationSeconds":35,"level":"C1","overallScore":7.8,"rationale":"제품 개발 방식의 큰 변화를 설명함."},{"segmentIndex":31,"text":"It's been kind of research ideation maybe there was some prototyping but it was you know even when we got past waterfall it was still kind of flavored of like the implementation is expensive and so you what you want to do is you want to derisk all implementation up front through documents through research through prototypes because prototypes and designs are cheaper was kind of the assumption there uh and that's changed that's like totally changed and right now I'm sure there are 90 different explorations for there's this feature that we desperately need to do that I'm sure there are 90 different uncoordinated teams like implementing and trying, right?","startTime":242.48,"endTime":290,"durationSeconds":48,"level":"C1","overallScore":7.8,"rationale":"프로덕트 프로세스의 전환점을 설명함."},{"segmentIndex":61,"text":"when a designer or a painter or an artist just creates the first mark on a painting or a piece of art, that mark is what you start to respond to.","startTime":515.8389999999999,"endTime":524.9590000000001,"durationSeconds":9,"level":"B2","overallScore":7.4,"rationale":"첫 신호가 해석을 좌우한다는 통찰."},{"segmentIndex":7,"text":">> I think design's a little bit harder to grade because the human aspect of taste is like part of the feedback mechanism you need.","startTime":36,"endTime":42.64,"durationSeconds":7,"level":"C1","overallScore":6.8,"rationale":"디자인 평가의 본질을 설명함."},{"segmentIndex":64,"text":"I think too there's this part of the previous world was that the medium implied it had baked in a lot of signal around where in the process something was right.","startTime":544.48,"endTime":558.32,"durationSeconds":14,"level":"C1","overallScore":6.6,"rationale":"매체가 단계 신호를 담는다는 관점."},{"segmentIndex":66,"text":"Because to your point, you do not want to over anchor on this thing that was meant to be an exploration, but now it looks so production ready that like, oh, visually it's ready for prod,","startTime":591.76,"endTime":601.76,"durationSeconds":10,"level":"C1","overallScore":7,"rationale":"탐색물과 실제품 혼동을 경고함."},{"segmentIndex":3,"text":"The quality bar for Codex had to be so high that there was never like a hesitation that you have opening this app to do the next thing that this was your natural choice.","startTime":13.04,"endTime":22.24,"durationSeconds":9,"level":"C1","overallScore":6.2,"rationale":"품질 기준과 선택 원리를 설명함."},{"segmentIndex":51,"text":"I think that one of the interesting things that is happening right now is that because implementation has gotten so cheap across every medium.","startTime":437.36,"endTime":446.319,"durationSeconds":9,"level":"C1","overallScore":5.8,"rationale":"비용 하락이 구조를 바꾼다고 설명함."},{"segmentIndex":56,"text":"Um, this is no shade on people writing documents. 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