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So they're just kind of covering their ass with data and not really doing the hard work of saying I'm going to make this decision and we are going to select this and yes I might be wrong or we as the opinion-based decision makers are wrong and we will correct it later and we'll take the heat for that.","startTime":748.32,"endTime":768.72,"durationSeconds":20,"level":"C1","overallScore":8.6,"rationale":"데이터 뒤 숨는 조직을 날카롭게 비판."},{"segmentIndex":23,"text":"It's like no there's only a few key things mostly for the customer or maybe some certain things from manufacturing or cost or something where it needs to really be very clear or a long-term vision but then you can delegate other things but certain pieces of it you really need to and when I mean micromanage it means micromanage the decision not necessarily the operations of doing it making sure you're getting the data like we did with the keyboard on the iPhone to make sure we're getting the right data to help us get the informed gut to make that opinion-based decision.","startTime":852.56,"endTime":887.199,"durationSeconds":35,"level":"C1","overallScore":8.8,"rationale":"좋은 미세관리의 정의를 구체화함."},{"segmentIndex":36,"text":"And so it started from that pain and said okay well programmable thermostats weren't innovative but they weren't used like everyone a lot of them had it because in you know uh the energy company would give you rebates for it but no one knew how to use it because it was arcane it was programming of ECR and so what I said was oh wait a second what if it could learn your patterns and that was AI and so now let's put that together in a much cooler looking attractive package that costs five to six times more than the things that you're buying today.","startTime":1425.84,"endTime":1458.88,"durationSeconds":33,"level":"C1","overallScore":9.2,"rationale":"문제·기술·포지셔닝이 모두 담김."},{"segmentIndex":39,"text":"So, so it starts with the pain longtime pain maybe habituated away pain that you have to discover and new technology bonded with that to then uh bring innovation in revolution in and then redefine the space in a way which is what we did which is not with just the product but how you installed it you know it was always installed by third party installers as opposed to yourself how you bought it which was you bought it through the installer you didn't buy it in Best Buy or somewhere else.","startTime":1480.159,"endTime":1512.159,"durationSeconds":32,"level":"C1","overallScore":9,"rationale":"혁신 공식을 체계적으로 정리함."},{"segmentIndex":66,"text":"So when we get we we'd sell everything we'd sell we get we we'd sell everything we could for the most part in the first quarter and then it would die because it was just the Mac afficados the loyalists who'd come and buy everything and it wasn't until the third generation where we made it work on Windows did it actually and we had the iTunes music store did it actually start to take off.","startTime":1706.64,"endTime":1731.36,"durationSeconds":25,"level":"C1","overallScore":9,"rationale":"전환점과 원인이 모두 담긴 핵심."},{"segmentIndex":7,"text":"Everything needs three generations. 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So they're just kind of covering their ass with data and not really doing the hard work of saying I'm going to make this decision and we are going to select this and yes I might be wrong or we as the opinion-based decision makers are wrong and we will correct it later and we'll take the heat for that.","startTime":748.32,"endTime":768.72,"durationSeconds":20,"level":"C1","overallScore":8.6,"rationale":"데이터 뒤 숨는 조직을 날카롭게 비판."},{"segmentIndex":23,"text":"It's like no there's only a few key things mostly for the customer or maybe some certain things from manufacturing or cost or something where it needs to really be very clear or a long-term vision but then you can delegate other things but certain pieces of it you really need to and when I mean micromanage it means micromanage the decision not necessarily the operations of doing it making sure you're getting the data like we did with the keyboard on the iPhone to make sure we're getting the right data to help us get the informed gut to make that opinion-based decision.","startTime":852.56,"endTime":887.199,"durationSeconds":35,"level":"C1","overallScore":8.8,"rationale":"좋은 미세관리의 정의를 구체화함."},{"segmentIndex":36,"text":"And so it started from that pain and said okay well programmable thermostats weren't innovative but they weren't used like everyone a lot of them had it because in you know uh the energy company would give you rebates for it but no one knew how to use it because it was arcane it was programming of ECR and so what I said was oh wait a second what if it could learn your patterns and that was AI and so now let's put that together in a much cooler looking attractive package that costs five to six times more than the things that you're buying today.","startTime":1425.84,"endTime":1458.88,"durationSeconds":33,"level":"C1","overallScore":9.2,"rationale":"문제·기술·포지셔닝이 모두 담김."},{"segmentIndex":39,"text":"So, so it starts with the pain longtime pain maybe habituated away pain that you have to discover and new technology bonded with that to then uh bring innovation in revolution in and then redefine the space in a way which is what we did which is not with just the product but how you installed it you know it was always installed by third party installers as opposed to yourself how you bought it which was you bought it through the installer you didn't buy it in Best Buy or somewhere else.","startTime":1480.159,"endTime":1512.159,"durationSeconds":32,"level":"C1","overallScore":9,"rationale":"혁신 공식을 체계적으로 정리함."},{"segmentIndex":66,"text":"So when we get we we'd sell everything we'd sell we get we we'd sell everything we could for the most part in the first quarter and then it would die because it was just the Mac afficados the loyalists who'd come and buy everything and it wasn't until the third generation where we made it work on Windows did it actually and we had the iTunes music store did it actually start to take off.","startTime":1706.64,"endTime":1731.36,"durationSeconds":25,"level":"C1","overallScore":9,"rationale":"전환점과 원인이 모두 담긴 핵심."},{"segmentIndex":7,"text":"Everything needs three generations. 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So they're just kind of covering their ass with data and not really doing the hard work of saying I'm going to make this decision and we are going to select this and yes I might be wrong or we as the opinion-based decision makers are wrong and we will correct it later and we'll take the heat for that.","startTime":748.32,"endTime":768.72,"durationSeconds":20,"level":"C1","overallScore":8.6,"rationale":"데이터 뒤 숨는 조직을 날카롭게 비판."},{"segmentIndex":23,"text":"It's like no there's only a few key things mostly for the customer or maybe some certain things from manufacturing or cost or something where it needs to really be very clear or a long-term vision but then you can delegate other things but certain pieces of it you really need to and when I mean micromanage it means micromanage the decision not necessarily the operations of doing it making sure you're getting the data like we did with the keyboard on the iPhone to make sure we're getting the right data to help us get the informed gut to make that opinion-based decision.","startTime":852.56,"endTime":887.199,"durationSeconds":35,"level":"C1","overallScore":8.8,"rationale":"좋은 미세관리의 정의를 구체화함."},{"segmentIndex":36,"text":"And so it started from that pain and said okay well programmable thermostats weren't innovative but they weren't used like everyone a lot of them had it because in you know uh the energy company would give you rebates for it but no one knew how to use it because it was arcane it was programming of ECR and so what I said was oh wait a second what if it could learn your patterns and that was AI and so now let's put that together in a much cooler looking attractive package that costs five to six times more than the things that you're buying today.","startTime":1425.84,"endTime":1458.88,"durationSeconds":33,"level":"C1","overallScore":9.2,"rationale":"문제·기술·포지셔닝이 모두 담김."},{"segmentIndex":39,"text":"So, so it starts with the pain longtime pain maybe habituated away pain that you have to discover and new technology bonded with that to then uh bring innovation in revolution in and then redefine the space in a way which is what we did which is not with just the product but how you installed it you know it was always installed by third party installers as opposed to yourself how you bought it which was you bought it through the installer you didn't buy it in Best Buy or somewhere else.","startTime":1480.159,"endTime":1512.159,"durationSeconds":32,"level":"C1","overallScore":9,"rationale":"혁신 공식을 체계적으로 정리함."},{"segmentIndex":66,"text":"So when we get we we'd sell everything we'd sell we get we we'd sell everything we could for the most part in the first quarter and then it would die because it was just the Mac afficados the loyalists who'd come and buy everything and it wasn't until the third generation where we made it work on Windows did it actually and we had the iTunes music store did it actually start to take off.","startTime":1706.64,"endTime":1731.36,"durationSeconds":25,"level":"C1","overallScore":9,"rationale":"전환점과 원인이 모두 담긴 핵심."},{"segmentIndex":7,"text":"Everything needs three generations. 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